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PDF/Word files...June 2017...Rescue Dogs and Cats Issues    Vegan Pet Dogs and Cats   Animals Killed for Food USA   Petfood

“Finding homes for needy dogs and cats is gratifying, but to use another apt analogy, it’s like bailing out a sinking ship with a teaspoon: The boat will still go down unless we fix the gaping hole in the bottom.” quote from PETA website June 2017. 

This NAUTICAL analogy of a SINKING SHIP is based on what ?

https://www.peta.org/features/deadly-consequences-no-kill-policies/

The SHEER NUMBERS of abandoned PETS in our Civilised Advanced Societies like ? the USA and small time Island Britain alone...lets have a look at the numbers hey !

Working on some numbers...to do with NO KILL POLICY of pets... 1000 USD per Pet average cost per year TOO LOW ESTIMATE cost assuming none get sick and need more than vaccines and worming tablet vet fees. 40 Million pet cats and dogs in the USA alone at the end of 10 years of 4 million per year currently Euthanised very year in the USA if it moved to a NO KILL POLICY would result in at least 40 billion USD annual ongoing costs to keep them alive. ...40 BILLION USD PER YEAR is too low an estimate for the USA alone.

Rescues of dogs and cats can save even more lives by feeding those rescue animals VEGAN of course.

Such an example is ..Little Rainbow Sanctuary ...in the USA. Little Rainbow Sanctuary is a non-profit, all volunteer space to rescue farm/domesticated animals. Located in Black Mountain, Nc.Mission.  A place where humanity is humane.

https://www.facebook.com/littlerainbowsanctuary/ and https://littlerainbowsanctuary.wordpress.com/

"We strive to grow most of our own food Little Rainbow Sanctuary we buy VDog and all food and supplies from vegancats.comAdditionally we do not use pest control for mice, rats, nor insects as most sanctuaries do." ZERO WASTE VEGANS !

FEEDING CONCLUSIONS:   PETFOOD   If Flesh/Animal content based is very unhealthy and unnatural.

FEEDING USA RESCUE PET CATS AND DOGS issues.

Vegan Advocacy for RESCUES feeding dogs vegan is needed. I am just off a SPAT elsewhere on the controversial subject of NO KILL SHELTERS. Many being highly critical of kill shelters...however...doing the SUMS of what costs these numbers would involve...

1 average sized pet DOG will consume on a 30 percent animal based KIBBLE some 60 CHICKENS/RABBITS a year. 1 average size CAT some 36 similar size animals per year but in reality often eats smaller fish so the number of average 60 taken for simplicity. In a 15 year lifetime...an average size dog or cat eating kibble will consume 900 animals (basis for calculation link on page of http://www.vegan-information.com/Rescue_Pets_Cats_Dogs_Cost…)

IF FED RAW...TRIPLE the numbers ! some 3000 animals per average dog or cat lifetime per 15 year average lifetime.

I estimated at LEAST 40 BILLION USD per YEAR ongoing cost by the end of year 10 based on the 4 Million per year euthanized pet dogs and cats in the USA alone based on 10 year life of average pet in a rescue.

AND people would in reality as is already the case DUMP and strangle / drown pets that the NO KILL SHELTERS refuse of course due to lack of space only taking in limited numbers who are healthy in reality.

However...besides this ...the issue of ANIMALS that would need to be BRED AND KILLED to FEED these 40 million no kill pets if fed FLESH content kibble petfood...20 BILLION ANIMALS to be bred and killed just to feed them over a 10 year period, 2 billion per year...is horrendous.

I seriously believe ALL RESCUES should be FEEDING VEGAN ! surely ! this massively important matter needs addressing ! how can rescues with PET RABBITS as well as DOGS be asking people to adopt rabbits yet feeding rabbits in kibble to the rescue dogs ? it is ludicrous ! ...

What would be the figures for no kill of all abandoned pet dogs and cats in the usa as well as pets at home ? 240 million pet dogs and cats per year in the usa. 200 million AT HOME PETS and 40 million would be constantly in no kill rescue cages. Causing for the total PET population if fed 100 percent RAW/BARF other animals as food deaths of 720 BILLION ANIMALS such as chickens and rabbits to feed them in their lifetimes of average 15 years. (the no kill extra cats and dogs would mean killing the extra if not euthanised 80 billion rabbits/chickens for their average 10 year lifetimes less long than pets at home) An average fed RAW pet dog/cat means the death of 3000 animals like chickens/rabbits over an average 15 year lifetime if fed RAW. 200 per pet per year of say chicken/rabbit size animals (We humans consume on average 11 000 other animals per lifetime I add if not vegan approximately 200 per year per person including larger than chickens animals like cows and pigs and not counting all the marine lives of lobsters boiled alive and fish suffocated to death out of water dolphins not counted either killed as part of the process)...

So reduce that number to realities rather than what some vegans have said is the OPTIMAL DIET FOR PET DOGS/CATS of RAW to KIBBLE which is 30 percent on average flesh content...the figures then are ? 900 Animals size of chicken/rabbit killed per average 15 year lifetime of a home kept pet dog/cat. Which reduces the number of animals needed to be BRED AND KILLED just to feed the NO KILL 40 million annually pets to 20 BILLION for their shorter average 10 year lifespan !

We are talking over 2 BILLION animals to breed and kill PER YEAR to feed flesh based kibble for the 40 MILLION PET DOGS/CATS on the EUTHANASIA lists as un-rehomable.

In total...ALL NO KILL RESCUES and AT HOME PETS...with the 200 Million AT HOME pet cats and dogs 20 percent fed RAW and 80 percent fed 30 percent flesh kibble currently eating the equivalent of 18 billion chicken size portion animals per year consumed...add 40 million non euthanised rescues by year 10 of the 4 million euthanised currently per year fed mix kibble adding 2 billion per year more animals deaths...total per year flesh needs of 20 billion per year. 200 Billion animals over a 10 year period total killed/eaten ! as well as the cruelty to the 40 Million cats and dogs in concentration camps MENTALLY TORTURED ! that makes a total of 240 million USA dogs and cats causing the breeding and deaths of 200 BILLION animals to be bred tortured mentally and killed over their lifetimes !

WHO GETS BRED TO BE KILLED ? seems a contradiction to advocate this.
I average dog fed 30 percent flesh based kibble = 60 chicken/rabbit size flesh lives per year. 1 average cat per year = 36 lives of similar size animals fed but since catfood often have the smaller fish animals reasonable to take average 60 per pet) Ratio of 1:60 per year per pet. 60 size chickens or rabbits PER YEAR PER PET to be killed eaten by 1 rescue ex pet dog or cat ? ! VEGAN PETFOOD IN RESCUES is a MUST !

Am I pleased  I do not feed my dogs petfood of animal substance ! the numbers looking at the USA figures of slaughtered for human consumption animals and average human consumption figures indicate that petfood flesh must be sourced from dubious sources ! cruelty cases sick diseased animals not on the slaughter numbers of those slaughtered for human consumption.  AND DISCARDED EUTHANISED DOGS CATS AND HORSES INCLUDED included.

we DO KNOW that 10 percent of the intended before 9 billion land animals eventually are officially slaughtered per year in USA per year, 1 billion animals die before getting to slaughter as a "normal" part of death and disease accidentally due to mistreatment, ill health, transport etc. I think this number is easily increased to 20 percent 2 billion.  It is the PARETO principle of 80/20 that applies to everything in business.

PET FOOD ! If Flesh/Animal content based…is using the most diseased unhealthy parts of animals in petfood cancers/tumours AND DISCARDED EUTHANISED DOGS CATS  AND HORSES INCLUDED included. It is also sourced from the cheapest imported animal parts subject due to being PETFOOD to the lowest failed quality controls of course for human food." the QUALITY issue !

apart from the NUMBERS of ANIMALS killed for PETFOOD involved...which is for the USA based on weight/size of chicken/rabbit size animals 18 billion chickens/rabbits per year to feed USA 200 million pet dogs and cats a 30 percent flesh/animal parts based kibble (20 pecent of the 200 million feeding 100 percent RAW make that number high....3000 animals per pet eaten if fed RAW over 1 average pet lifetime or 900 animals if fed a 30 percent animal content kibble)

The real problem with vegetarian cat food is not that it can’t be done, it’s that it is not natural" - it must be natural to spay and neuter cats, to have them eat tuna or cows? Or perhaps using a computer and being vegan is natural for humans? The 'natural' argument has no importance at all.

As Andrew Knight, a European veterinary specialist, states, "animals need specific nutrients, not ingredients. There is no scientific reason why a diet comprised only of plant, mineral and synthetically-based ingredients cannot be formulated to meet all of the palatability, nutritional and bioavailability needs of the species for which it is intended"
https://www.vegansociety.com/whats-new/blog/vegan-animal-diets-facts-and-myths.

Commercially available vegan food has all the nutrients cats require. It is not different from regular foods that have vitamins and minerals added as well. The difference is the source of protein, which doesn't matter at all as long as it is complete

There is nothing "natural" about factory farming food for pet animals. Lions / wolves do not cage and forcibly breed animals to eat. They do not eat off PLATES either. Letting loose a cow for a pet cat or jack russell to chase after and bring down to kill in a house Lions do not go fishing for Tuna fish etc !

Vultures not Lions/Wolves eat DEAD FLESH they are NECOVORES ! a real CARNIVORE eats flesh warm not dead for days/weeks/months as the unnatural flesh is that we feed so called Carnivores as if they are Necrovores like Vultures with different digestive systems. 

In the "wild" only 1 in 8 of an average wolfpack reached adulthood. Died of food poisoning mostly. Is this what we want to be "natural" for our pets ?

in the UK the RSPCA put down 50 percent of all collected/abandoned pet cats and dogs. 50 000 PETS destroyed every year in the UK. Over a 10 year period that makes 500 000 pets...coming up to HALF A  MILLION pets. Costs to to Britain of a NO KILL RSPCA etc PET policy would be based on 1000 usd per year per pet therefore 500 MILLION USD at the 10 year stage of not euthanizing 50 000 pets a year currently euthanised pet dogs and cats alone annual ongoing costs to keep alive in shelters.

Actually...just looking at numbers of pets owned and pets destroyed...the USA with 200 Million owned pet dogs and cats puts down 4 Million per year...small island Britain with only of course 10 percent of the number of pets owned in the USA as in line with tiny population in comparison destroys 53 000 pet dogs and cats per year out of its 20 Million pet cats and dogs ? seems rather a low figure for Britain ! 10 percent of 4 Million would be 400 thousand pet cats and dogs destroyed ...of 800 000 abandoned if the percentage of pets abandoned were the same as the USA at 2 percent destroyed...Britain has 10 percent of the numbers of Pets owned in the USA...20 million owned in Britain 200 Million owned in the USA.

How many dogs/cats are abandoned per year in the UK ? not 4 percent of total ownership like the USA ? it is a murkey waters area...no transparency no overall figures that agree....different figures different sources UNLIKE the USA where the figure of 8 million per year abandons is stated in many places consistently. Who knows ? 

In FRANCE same human population levels of 63 million humans as Britain...100 000 pet dogs and cats are abandoned per year of which 60 000 in the summer. (holidays period) pet population owned is the same as the UK at some 20 million...(more cats than dogs 13 million cats 7 million dogs) 0.5 percent of total pets owned get abandoned each year in France. Less than 1 percent.

aha...seems that Britain DOES abandon similar number and percentage as France does...New statistics have revealed that in the last 12 months more than 47,500 were abandoned in council pounds, unclaimed by their owners. In total 102,363 stray and abandoned dogs were handled by UK local authorities and 5,142 were put to sleep – equating to 14 a day. per http://www.dogworld.co.uk/story.php/145606/0/number_of_dogs_destroyed_each_year_should_shock_the_nation__says_charity if 5 thousand put down by local councils the vast majority are put down by private shelters logically. So local councils handle 102 thousand strays cats and dogs per year...they farm out the majority to private shelters who put the most euthanized ones down but do not release the actual figures easily to see. Christmas is the favorite time of year for British abandoned pets.

http://www.dogworld.co.uk/story.php/145606/0/number_of_dogs_destroyed_each_year_should_shock_the_nation__says_charity

aha...difficult to find REAL figure of DOGS PUT DOWN besides tens of thousands of ex racing greyhounds the UK ships abroad as dog meat food...but ! now I am seeing 53 THOUSAND pet dogs and cats put down by the RSPCA per year...40 percent of all taken in...there must be more..the RSCPA isnt the only dog rescue used... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254729/RSPCA-destroys-HALF-animals-rescues--thousands-completely-healthy.html

aha...some more information...the British COUNCILS pay 70p PER DAY per dog Councils pay around 70p per dog per day, plus any emergency treatment, for the
first seven days they are with a charity or commercial kennel. Then the financial support stops. ...https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/74549/sun-investigation-we-expose-charities-killing-1000s-of-healthy-dogs-for-growling-too-much/

Part of the problem about the NUMBERS in Britain seem to be TRANSPARENCY of the numbers Euthanised...seems the USA numbers are more easily visible for some reason ! no accountability of the Euthanised numbers problem.

However based on figures available from somewhere ... the USA abandons far more percentage of pets than in Europe is first conclusion. 8 million out of 220 million pets are abandoned every year in the USA, 4 percent and destroy over half 4 million per year.  Britain and France abandon 100 thousand out of 20 million owned pets every year less than 1 percent and destroy half same as USA percentage 50 thousand per year each.

What are the PUBLIC tax payer costs currently of the AS IS Situation ?

1. DOG POOP collection costs. 370 MILLION USD for the USA. 37 MILLION for Britain. PER YEAR.  Not sure if public funds pay for USA dog poop collections.

DAY 1000 tonnes of dog pooh waste per day in Britain alone ! Created by some 10 Million pet dogs. that takes much longer to degrade if flesh based of course. Another VEGAN contribution to zero waste.

Dog waste is also full of E. Coli and other harmful bacteria including fecal coliform bacteria, which causes serious kidney disorders, intestinal illness, cramps and diarrhea in humans. The waste can also strain local resources when it needs to be picked up.

According to the study, £22 million ($37million) is spent per year on ‘dog waste collection’ by local agencies in England and Wales.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2604307/Scientists-estimate-British-canines-create-1-000-tonnes-waste-day-problem.html#ixzz4j1njFlP7

Cost in the USA ? of some 100 Million owned pet dogs ? unknown to me currently...will find out I hope...let us estimate maybe 10 times as much since multiply the Britain costs by 10 times the numbers of dogs in the USA ? that would make ? 370 MILLION USD ANNUAL COSTS for the USA DOG POOP COLLECTION.

4 USD PER YEAR PER DOG public costs of collecting dog poop. Costs of degrading it not included nor landfill site costs.

2. Cost of Collecting Abandoned Dogs/Cats and Euthanising them or rehoming some. USA costs are 2 BILLION USD PER YEAR. Britain ? dunno for now...to find out. 40 percent of the 8 million abandoned pets in the USA per year get rehomed. 60 percent are euthanised.  5 Million per year Euthanised and 3 million rehomed approximately.

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How much does it COST to NO KILL the ABANDONED and picked up live PET DOGS AND CATS ? per dog/cat ? and in total ?

Possible relevant FACTS....

1. USA pet owners spend on their 200 million pets about 69 BILLION USD per year. Which PER PET IS ?  330 USD per pet on average ...This is mostly on food and toys.  http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/americans-will-spend-more-60-billion-their-pets-year-n390181

2.. VET COSTS are 16 BILLION USD PER YEAR for 200 MILLION PETS.... Vet Care $15.95 billion. 80 USD per pet average. Now THIS seems to indicate LOW STERILISATION of PETS ? vaccines ALONE would cost 80 USD per year if just the very basic ones ? ...interesting...  http://www.americanpetproducts.org/press_industrytrends.asp

For 2017, it estimated that $69.36 billion will be spent on our pets in the U.S. (TRIPLE the costs of just 10 years ago)

Estimated Breakdown:                                          
Food                                                               $29.69 billion
Supplies/OTC Medicine                           $14.93 billion
Vet Care                                                        $16.62 billion
Live animal purchases                              $2.01 billion
Other Services                                           $6.11 billion 

PER PET ? per YEAR ? estimated average costs...EXCLUDING HOUSING as AT HOME.                                     
Food                                                               $150
Supplies/OTC Medicine                           $80
Vet Care                                                        $90
Other Services                                           $10

TOTAL PER PET PER YEAR AVERAGE 330 USD.

look at it another way...using the Average Cost of Pet ownership figures...seems to me...1000 USD per year PER PET is average reasonable figure.......so ? 40 Million Not Euthanised Pet dogs and cats would cost per year 40 BILLION USD WITHOUT HOUSING CAGES costs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2016/08/24/how-much-costs-own-dog-per-year/88449800/ "it might be helpful to know that the first year of dog ownership will cost anywhere from $1,314 for smaller dogs up to $1,843 for the largest breeds, according to the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. That includes one-time expenses such as spaying, neutering, training, initial medical fees and a crate.
After the first year, ASPCA figures a dog's annual cost at anywhere from $580 for smaller dogs to $875 for big breeds, which gobble more food. Meanwhile, Rover.com, a Seattle-based pet-sitting website, figures the yearly average at $2,858 factoring in pet sitting ($25 per night), dog training ($40 per hour), teeth cleaning (at least $400) and emergency vet bills (from zero to more than $3,000)." assume RESCUE concentration camp pets do NOT get teeth cleaning etc attention or any other "luxuries" pets at home get.

ps...(PET FOOD SPEND TREND in USA...in 30 years...a 350 percent increase  ! why ?http://www.petfoodindustry.com/blogs/7-adventures-in-pet-food/post/5864-pet-food-spending-in-us-rises-over-350-in-past-30-years .why ? PETFOOD spend has gone from 6 to 30 BILLION USD PER YEAR in 30 years ! ) why ? people were feeding home scraps/prepared petfood rather than buying ready made petfood ?

 
3. FOOD COSTS/DETAILS:

12 USD per month food costs per average pet ? seems a low figure as those home cooking and feeding RAW are excluded from the figures of course unknown.

The UK has under 20 million pet dogs and cats in total so to feed those for their lifetimes would mean breeding and killing 60 billion animals if fed RAW/BARF over 15 years total lifetimes. 4 billion animals per year if all fed RAW. 3000 animals eaten per 1 pet 15 year lifetime if fed RAW. 200 animals per pet per year if fed RAW.

Compared to 18 billion animals if they were all fed only 30 percent flesh based kibble for their 15 year lifetimes. 1 billion per year on mix kibble. 60 animals per pet per year on mix kibble.

The USA has about 200 million pet dogs and cats in total so to feed those for their lifetimes would mean breeding and killing 600 billion animals if fed RAW/BARF over 15 years. 40 billion animals per year if all fed RAW. 3000 animals eaten per 1 pet lifetime if fed RAW.  200 animals per pet per year if fed RAW.

Compared to 180 billion animals if they were all fed only 30 percent flesh based kibble for their 15 year lifetimes. 12 billion per year on mix kibble. 60 animals per pet per year.

The average non vegan kibble petfood is about 30 percent dead animal content...so ? assuming 80 percent of pets (160 million pets) are fed kibble not RAW that means ? less dead other animals killed to feed pets compared to RAW feeding...would be maybe 144 BILLION ANIMALS BRED and killed to feed the kibble fed PETS in the USA and if 20 percent of the 200 million pets (40 million pets) are fed RAW an additional 120 BILLION ANIMALS BRED and killed to feed the RAW FED PETS in the USA over a 15 year period/lifetime of the 200 million usa pets dogs and cats.

Total currently being therefore 264 BILLION ANIMALS BRED AND KILLED to feed 200 million current level of home owned USA PET OWNED DOGS AND CATS. Based on 20 percent fed RAW and 80 percent fed KIBBLE mix. (over average pets lifetimes of 15 years basis) 18 billion animals per year. (200 animals per year on RAW/BARF per pet and 60 animals per year on 30 percent flesh kibble per pet)

The RESCUE USA dog/cat population by the end of 10 years at 4 million per year would reach a constant EXTRA not to be euthanised NO KILL cats and dogs in rescues of 40 million population. Fed assuming 30 percent flesh based kibble that would mean an extra petfood need of over 2 billion animals per year to be bred/killed. Over a 10 year rescue dog/cat lifetime that would mean 24 billion animals consumed.

In TOTAL with a NO KILL POLICY applied to all USA currently 4 million euthanised abandoned pet cats/dogs by the end of 10 years there would be 40 million constant extra dogs and cats in the USA consuming 80/20 kibble mix flesh 24 billion animals for their 10 year lifetimes (2 billion animals per year) added to the home owned numbers of cats and dog pets of 200 million consuming the equivalent of 264 billion animals per their 15 year lifetimes...18 BILLION ANIMALS PER YEAR ongoing....making a total 240 million dogs and cats causing the breeding and deaths of 288 billion animals per their lifetimes...20 BILLION ANIMALS consumed PER YEAR ongoing.

Britain PETFOOD deaths of other animals involved based on the same split of kibble / RAW fed as 80/20 would mean 20 million current levels of British Pet dogs and cats on average currently cause the breeding and killing of  26 BILLION animals size/weight of rabbits/chickens (for average pet lifetime of 15 years basis. 2 billion animals per year. RAW pet consumes 3000 animals Kibble fed pet consumes 900 in a pet lifetime.

Cat eats say 4 animals per week  if eating RAW only that makes approximately 200 animals per year and approximately 3000 animals in a 15 year lifetime per cat. Cats eat fish based foods often which are smaller than chicken size animals so average of 200 animals taken. A small bird weighs about 30 grams and an average adult cat needs to eat approximately 150 grams per day of food which would theoretically be 5 birds per day of sparrow or 5 mice/rats or 1 baby rabbit size animal per day so 4 animals per week is a conservative estimate of lives taken to feed a pet cat.  Since humans do not breed wild birds and mice to feed pet cats it means rabbits or chickens or cow beef or pig pork flesh so the calculations of numbers of LIVES of the larger animals would be lower than if rabbit flesh of course. A chicken is average say 1.5kg weight so 1 chicken would feed 1 cat of weight say 3kg for 10 days...36 chickens per year per cat...550 chickens per 1 cat lifetime or 3000 animals including fish which means side-kill of dolphins etc. To feed 10 million pet cats on chickens would mean 5 billion chicken lives taken if fed RAW/BARF )  There are about 94 million pet cats in the USA and about 90 million pet dogs. It would be environmentally a massively destructive effect to feed those pets BARF / RAW besides not actually being considered HEALTHY by many experts or common sense. 

A DOG of medium size 26kg weight needs on a RAW/BARF diet approximately 700 grams per day food. Approximately 4 whole chickens per week.

Average number of Killed for pet food animals in an average 15 year lifetime on a RAW fed pet is 3000...and for those on a Kibble mix fed pet is 900.

Based on rabbit/chicken sized/weight animals. (If fish many more lives of course) but lets stick with general averages based on rabbits and chickens common petfood animals. (average size dog per year 60 animals average size cat 36 animals per year. However since cats often are fed fish based petfoods the general average for pets of 60 per year is used as reasonable so 900 per average 15 year lifetime of a pet.

PET FOOD SPEND TREND in USA...in 30 years...a 350 percent increase  ! why ? http://www.petfoodindustry.com/blogs/7-adventures-in-pet-food/post/5864-pet-food-spending-in-us-rises-over-350-in-past-30-years .why ? PETFOOD spend has gone from 6 to 30 BILLION USD PER YEAR in 30 years ! people were feeding home scraps/prepared petfood rather than buying ready made petfood ?

WHO GETS BRED TO BE KILLED ? seems a contradiction to advocate this.
I average dog fed 30 percent flesh based kibble = 60 chicken/rabbit size flesh lives per year. 1 average cat per year = 36 lives of similar size animals fed but since catfood often have the smaller fish animals reasonable to take average 60 per pet) Ratio of 1:60 per year per pet. 60 size chickens or rabbits PER YEAR PER PET to be killed eaten by 1 rescue ex pet dog or cat ? ! VEGAN PETFOOD IN RESCUES is a MUST

BASIS of PET FOOD ANIMALS EQUIVALENT NUMBERS...

A small bird weighs about 30 grams and an average adult cat needs to eat approximately 150 grams per day of food which would theoretically be 5 birds per day of sparrow or 5 mice/rats or 1 baby rabbit size animal per day so 4 animals per week is a conservative estimate of lives taken to feed a pet cat.  Since humans do not breed wild birds and mice to feed pet cats it means rabbits or chickens or cow beef or pig pork flesh so the calculations of numbers of LIVES of the larger animals would be lower than if rabbit flesh of course. A chicken is average say 1.5kg weight so 1 chicken would feed 1 cat of weight say 3kg for 10 days...36 chickens per year per cat...540 chickens per 1 cat lifetime of 15 years. To feed 10 million pet cats on chickens would mean 5 billion chicken lives taken if fed RAW/BARF . There are about 94 million pet cats in the USA and about 90 million pet dogs. It would be environmentally a massively destructive effect to feed those pets BARF / RAW besides not actually being considered HEALTHY by many experts or common sense. 

A DOG of medium size 26kg weight needs on a RAW/BARF diet approximately 700 grams per day food. Approximately 4 whole chickens per week.

https://www.naturesmenu.co.uk/advice-centre/faqs has calculator for different sizes of pets and type of food for RAW/BARF.

10 million pet dogs would consume therefore also 30 billion chickens for their average say 15 year long lifetimes bred by humans and killed if fed RAW/BARF.

On average 1 PET cat or dog if fed RAW or BARF incurs the breeding and killing of 3000 animals per pet 15 year lifetime. 200 per year.

On average 1  PET cat or dog if fed 30 percent animal flesh based KIBBLE incurs the breeding and killing of 900 animals per pet 15 year lifetime. 60 animals per year.

WHO GETS BRED TO BE KILLED ? seems a contradiction to advocate this.
I average dog fed 30 percent flesh based kibble = 60 chicken/rabbit size flesh lives per year. 1 average cat per year = 36 lives of similar size animals fed but since catfood often have the smaller fish animals reasonable to take average 60 per pet) Ratio of 1:60 per year per pet. 60 size chickens or rabbits PER YEAR PER PET to be killed eaten by 1 rescue ex pet dog or cat ? ! VEGAN PETFOOD IN RESCUES is a MUST

ABANDONED RESCUE CENTER PET DOGS AND CATS COSTS ...

4. HOUSING and DOG WALKING and GROOMING and ELECTRICIY RATES WATER costs additional for RESCUE CONCENTRATION CAMPS for abandoned pets and dogs ? what costs extra ? Pets in owner homes are RENT FREE no heating costs or property costs or dog walker costs of course.

4.1 ALL will be STERILISED as the norm...so VET immediate costs of say 80 USD immediately. If sick or injured...VET COSTS extra at once also...costs ? how long is a piece of string is the answer ! could be thousands of USD for just one operation. Annual vaccines usually cost around 50 USD surely for the minimum ? rabies alone can cost that figure let alone parvo lepto kennel cough hepatitis and distemper. Done annually for some. Inspections and vaccines alone are going to cost per pet 100 usd per year per pet in a rescue. Annual inspection and just worming tablets say 100 USD per dog per year. Microchipping probable costs is that about 50 USD per pet /

Any additional medicines for any sickness let alone operations...and the sky's the limit ! let's try and get a sensible average...surely for damaged pets taken off the roads with mange fleas hurt eyes limbs etc the costs of vet treatment is going to be a few hours per year cost at least.

4.2 Walkies/feeding cleaning up poops labour/staff costs of 1 hour per day for the dogs...none for the cats as caged. Costs ? volunteers or paid staff. 1 hour per day per dog is say 10 USD ? not knowing of minimum wage rates...but say per year 4 thousand USD per YEAR STAFF COSTS approximately per dog. Let's not get into spoiling these rescue caged pets too much with more than 1 hour per day all inclusive attention or the costs rocket. Maybe some pets need washing/cleaning regularly. 10 USD per day per pet say ?

4.3 FOOD costs...take the average of the home living pet dogs and cats...150 USD per year for something cheap plus water 1 USD per day per pet ?

4.4 Leaves the heating lighting property costs...cages costs...repairs and maintenance of roofing fire regs and any toys costs per dog.

Some rescues have said it costs 200 USD PER DAY to house a rescue pet dog/cat on average.  https://www.sterlingshelter.org/.../animal-shelter-adoption.

5. TOTAL COSTS of NOT EUTHANISING the 60 percent of all USA pet cats and dogs per year if a NO KILL POLICY took place for all abandoned pet cats and dogs...

8 MILLION per year abandoned Pet dogs and cats in the USA...4 million of which are currently Euthanised as not rehomable fast...average lifespan of a pet say 10 years...by 10 years time the constant annual figure would be 40 million Pet Cats and Dogs to keep alive and feed etc in the USA.

What would it cost to provide for 40 Million Pet cats and dogs constantly ? it costs already the states 2 BILLION USD to just collect and euthanise the 4 Million as well as including pick up costs of the 4 million rehomed.

200 USD per year minimum VET costs plus 200 USD per year minimum FOOD costs say 400 USD per pet PLUS then STAFF AND HOUSING COSTS of ? 600 USD PER YEAR PER PET ? 2 USD per day ? what dog hotel has those cheap rates ? I thought it more like 30 USD per day per dog boarding fees....Anyway...taking 1000 USD per pet per year. We are talking 40 BILLION USD per year costs for 40 million Rescue Dogs and Cats kept alive in the USA alone.

ASSUMING NONE GET SICK and need more than just vaccines and worming tablets !

Pet Health insurance ? OBAMA care PET HEALTH insurance around ? last I looked it is a pricey matter ...excluding pre existing conditions of course...per pet Health Insurance costs ? 30 USD per pet per month average. Large breeds cost DOUBLE that.

Working on some numbers...to do with NO KILL POLICY of pets... 1000 USD per Pet average cost per year TOO LOW ESTIMATE cost assuming none get sick and need more than vaccines and worming tablet vet fees. 40 Million pet cats and dogs in the USA alone at the end of 10 years of 4 million per year NO KILL POLICY would result in at least 40 billion USD annual ongoing costs to keep them alive.

only a lucky few can have money spent on them as these cases...ones the NO KILL shelters turn away of course as no space not enough funds...40 BILLION USD PER YEAR is too low an estimate for the USA alone.

https://www.peta.org/features/dogs-before-after-rescue/

Here is an ETHICAL question to ask here...What would you choose ? kill 1 animal or 900 ? I think the answer is kill 1. Neither is a good thing but...what is this question related to ? the currently standard annual euthanised not rehomed pet dogs and cats. 60 percent of all rescue dogs and cats in the USA alone are euthanised (often by painful gassing just as baby chicks and pigs etc are in slaughter houses...others less painfully) but...some are advocating NO KILL SHELTERS...and i did the calculations...of what it would COST to NOT KILL 4 million per year cats and dogs in the USA per year that in 10 years would mean a constant 40 million cats and dogs to keep alive....40 billion USD PER YEAR...plus ? ouff....how many OTHER LIVES of animals to KILL if fed just KIBBLE animal 30 percent based food ? The average non vegan kibble petfood is about 30 percent dead animal content...so ? assuming 80 percent of pets are fed kibble not RAW that means ? less dead other animals killed to feed pets compared to RAW feeding...would be maybe 144 BILLION ANIMALS BRED and killed to feed the 160 million kibble fed PETS in the USA and if 20 percent of the 200 million pets say 40 million pets are fed RAW an additional 120 BILLION ANIMALS BRED and killed to feed the RAW FED PETS in the USA. If fed LESS dead animals kibble the NO KILL 40 MILLION would mean say 36 BILLION LIVES to kill...BRED to kill i add of course...not about to have 40 million dogs and cats HUNTING out there hey lol ! what would they hunt lol ? lets get real....so ? question is...? who do we choose to kill ? or feed VEGAN ?? 900 animals per pet dog/cat per 15 year lifetime of 1 pet if fed low flesh content kibble...say rescue dogs/cats live only 10 years ...600 animals lives eaten by 40 million pets in non kill shelters by year 10 at 4 million per year dogs/cats..equals 24 billion animals lives bred and killed over those rescue ex pets lifetimes. 2 billion animals per year killed/fed to ex pet rescues. Do we choose..to condone and RECOMMEND even the gassing to death of chicks pigs etc to feed another animal ? none of them CHOOSE to live or die is my point. but WE make the decision to say WHO DIES AND WHO LIVES !

https://www.facebook.com/garytvcom/videos/1293513917370520/

Ever seen RABBITS in an Animal Rescue ? or petshop ? or at a Vet ? right next to packs of Rabbit Food Dog and Cat food on sale ? ironic hey ! why bother with the few in the RESCUE or FOR SALE / Rehoming ? why not just feed those to pet dogs and cats and save the process costs ?

Vegan Advocacy for RESCUES feeding dogs vegan is needed. I am just off a SPAT elsewhere on the controversial subject of NO KILL SHELTERS. Many being highly critical of kill shelters...however...doing the SUMS of what costs these numbers would involve...

1 average sized pet DOG will consume on a 30 percent animal based KIBBLE some 90 CHICKENS/RABBITS a year. 1 average size CAT some 55 animals per year. In a 10 year lifetime...an average size dog eating kibble will consume 900 animals and a cat 550 animals. (basis for calculation http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Dogs_and_Cats.html)

IF FED RAW...TRIPLE the numbers ! some 3000 animals per average dog lifetime and an average cat 1600 animals per 10 year average lifetime.

I estimated at LEAST 40 BILLION USD per YEAR ongoing cost by the end of year 10 based on the 4 Million per year euthanized pet dogs and cats in the USA alone based on 10 year life of average pet.

AND people would in reality as is already the case DUMP and strangle / drown pets that the NO KILL SHELTERS refuse of course due to lack of space only taking in limited numbers who are healthy in reality.

However...besides this ...the issue of ANIMALS that would need to be BRED AND KILLED to FEED these 40 million no kill pets if fed FLESH content kibble petfood...36 BILLION ANIMALS to be bred and killed just to feed them over a 10 year period, 4 billion per year...is horrendous.

I seriously believe ALL RESCUES should be FEEDING VEGAN ! surely ! this massively important matter needs addressing ! how can rescues with PET RABBITS as well as DOGS be asking people to adopt rabbits yet feeding rabbits in kibble to the rescue dogs ? it is ludicrous ! ...

What would be the figures for no kill of all abandoned pet dogs and cats in the usa as well as pets at home ? 240 million pet dogs and cats per year in the usa. 200 million AT HOME PETS and 40 million would be constantly in no kill rescue cages. Causing for the total PET population if fed RAW other animals as food deaths of 720 BILLION ANIMALS such as chickens and rabbits to feed them in their lifetimes of average 10 years. (the no kill extra cats and dogs would mean killing  the extra if not euthanised 120 billion rabbits/chickens for their average 10 year lifetimes) An average fed RAW pet dog/cat means the death of 3000 animals like chickens/rabbits over an average 10 year lifetime. (We humans consume on average 11 000 other animals per lifetime I add if not vegan approximately 200 per year per person not counting all the marine lives of lobsters boiled alive and fish suffocated to death out of water dolphins not counted either killed as part of the process)...

So reduce that number to realities rather than what some vegans have said is the OPTIMAL DIET FOR PET DOGS/CATS of RAW to KIBBLE which is 30 percent on average flesh content...the figures then are ? 900 Animals size of chicken/rabbit killed per average 10 year lifetime of a pet dog/cat. Which reduces the number of animals needed to be BRED AND KILLED just to feed the NO KILL 40 million annually pets to 36 BILLION for their average 10 year lifespan !

We are talking some 4 BILLION animals to breed and kill PER YEAR to feed just over the 40 MILLION PET DOGS/CATS on the EUTHANASIA lists as un-rehomable. 

In total...ALL NO KILL RESCUES and AT HOME PETS...with the 200 Million AT HOME pet cats and dogs consuming on kibble 180 Billion animals and 40 Million In concentration camps MENTALLY TORTURED cats and dogs 36 billion that makes a total of 240 million USA dogs causing the breeding and deaths of 216 BILLION animals to be bred and killed if fed kibble mix...in a 10 year period for ALL USA pet dogs and cats fed KIBBLE flesh mix. 21 BILLION ANIMALS PER YEAR.   90 animals per average pet. 240 million pet dogs and cats in USA. (average dog size 90 animals per year average cat size 55 animals per year calcs based on single average to allow large breeds often in rescues)

right... i must end...excuse me but i did TRY and condense the info i thought helpful here...on the vegan group spats i had huge abuse of me for having vegan dogs ! as do any of the other thousands of vegan cat and dog owners that dare post they feed their cats and dogs vegan ! there are vegans advocating raw feeding of pet dogs and cats ! well imagine that hey ! so called vegans calling other vegans ANIMAL ABUSERS lol ! have a laugh ! the only LAUGH in this sordid matter ! MY BITCH IS INTERNATIONAL CHAMPION ! she sure is heading to her usual EPILEPSY breed speciality health problem...but nothing to do with her DIET that is inbreeding AND vaccines related AND cancers result from microchipping it is now known for PETS. well this PEDIGREE didnt make it to 10 years old...age 6 died/put down...health issues...and those cost.https://youtu.be/5vPxFlyVijs maybe the 10 year average life of a pet in a No Kill rescue costs could be lowered...for pedigrees...the sick...the too expensive to treat so that only healthy ones live ? who decides ? oh by accepting maybe no sick or pedigree ones ? and certainly if some vegans here like elsewhere believe we should advocate feeding pet dogs and cats the OPTIMAL DIET meaning RAW then LIVE and ACCEPT the fact this means HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF ANIMALS TO BE BRED AND KILLED JUST TO FEED THESE 40 MILLION NO KILL PETS alone ? condone the breeding and killing of hundreds of billions of animals ? breed and kill 3000 animals to keep 1 alive at OUR selective choice of WHO LIVE AND WHO DIES and in this scenario WHO GETS BRED TO BE KILLED ? seems a contradiction to advocate this.

EVERYONE is CHOOSING WHO LIVES AND DIES when we OWN a pet if we feed that 1 animal RAW or even ANIMAL BASED KIBBLE...just a matter of whether 3000 or 900 lives a PET OWNER decides are not worth 1 life...as for the NO KILL 40 MILLION to be kept alive MENTALLY TORTURED in concentration camp zoos ...36 BILLION animals to be KILLED for the 40 million if fed flesh based kibble is the CHOICE of WHO LIVES AND DIES.

Cats and Dogs can live perfectly healthily on VEGAN food. It is NUTRITION that matters. Taurine the essential cat nutrient needed is SYNTHETIC in even the animal based catfoods...so ? obviously cats can live healthily on NON animal based food or they would ALL be DEAD without synthetic taurine. And let us not forget all the DOLPHINS and TURTLES killed in the process of cruel fishing dying fish gasping to their death for air/water is hardly a HUMANE way to treat an animal and no lions dive into oceans to go fishing for mercury toxic plastics filled fish nowadays harmful like most meat is to health due to all the contents in them. 

quote..."Both cats and dogs may thrive on vegetarian diets, but these must be nutritionally complete and reasonably balanced."www.VegePets.info https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5035952/and "a significant and growing body of population studies and case reports have indicated that cats and dogs maintained on vegetarian diets may be healthy—including those exercising at the highest levels—and, indeed, may experience a range of health benefits" Received 2016 Jul 8; Accepted 2016 Sep 14.Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DACAW, PhD, MRCVS, SFHEA. Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics / Director, Centre for Animal Welfare. European and American Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare, and for around a decade prior to 2012 practiced veterinary medicine. a European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; and a Senior Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy. Excluding abstracts and letters Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of youtube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.infowww.HumaneLearning.info andwww.VegePets.info
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This world top nutritional organisationhttps://www.canadianveterinarians.net/.../cvj-current... Department of Veterinary Clinical and Diagnostic Sciences, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, University of Calgary, 3330 Hospital Drive NW, Calgary, Alberta T2N 4N1 (Schlesinger); Calgary Animal Referral and Emergency Centre, 7140–12th St SE, Calgary, Alberta T2H 2Y4 (Schlesinger, Joffe) did a report on RAW diets ! and concluded ? not recommended ! like the already provided by me vet top organisations that conclude overall AGAINST raw/barf pet feeding the organisation states..."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3003575/"there is a lack of large cohort studies to evaluate risk or benefit of raw meat diets fed to pets"

astonishing ! I only discovered this report 3rd June 2017

What do other major Health Professional Organisations to do with Pet Animals say officially ?

What do the experts say about feeding pets raw diets? Just because wild animals eat raw meats does not imply that these foods are safe! 
A number of professional associations have condemned the practice of feeding raw food to dogs and cat: 

The American Veterinary Medical Association policy (AVMA) adopted a policy statement addressing the issue in 2012 opposing the feeding of raw foods. 
The American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA) approved a policy in August 2012 that discourages feeding raw meat to pets. 
The Companion Animal Parasite Council (CAPC) states, “Pets should be fed cooked or prepared food (not raw diets)”
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) does not recommend feeding raw foods to a pet because of the risk of food-borne infection to the pet and to household members.

Now. I think like most vegans that IGNORANCE is why anyone doesn't make CHANGES needed to anything in our lives. I like most was IGNORANT of even the way cows milk didn't just flow on tap without producing babies that were taken away AT ONCE and KILLED ! or that male baby chickens are ground up ALIVE as part of the EGG industry ! this is barbaric ! but when you don't realise...that animals bred today are FREAKS that suffer pain in chests and legs as part of the norm of their aweful purpose of existence we human farmers have done to get more money out of these verbally handicapped living creatures...well...ignorance about WE DONT NEED THEM AS FOOD even as it is POISONING us...

SOME vegan dogs stories...http://thevegantruth.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/dogs-that-eat-vegan-directory.html?spref=fb and a CAT one...https://www.good.is/features/vegan-cats

and a RESCUE that feeds ALL its rescue dogs and cats vegan....

Rescues of dogs and cats can save even more lives by feeding those rescue animals VEGAN of course.

Such an example is ..Little Rainbow Sanctuary ...in the USA. Little Rainbow Sanctuary is a non-profit, all volunteer space to rescue farm/domesticated animals. Located in Black Mountain, Nc.Mission.  A place where humanity is humane.

https://www.facebook.com/littlerainbowsanctuary/ and https://littlerainbowsanctuary.wordpress.com/

http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Dogs_and_Cats.html

http://vegan-information.com/Animals_Killed_for_food.html

http://www.vegan-information.com/Rescue_Pets_Cats_Dogs_Costs.html

Rescues of dogs and cats can save even more lives by feeding those rescue animals VEGAN of course.

Such an example is ..Little Rainbow Sanctuary ...in the USA. Little Rainbow Sanctuary is a non-profit, all volunteer space to rescue farm/domesticated animals. Located in Black Mountain, Nc.Mission.  A place where humanity is humane.

https://www.facebook.com/littlerainbowsanctuary/ and https://littlerainbowsanctuary.wordpress.com/

"We strive to grow most of our own food Little Rainbow Sanctuary we buy VDog and all food and supplies from vegancats.comAdditionally we do not use pest control for mice, rats, nor insects as most sanctuaries do." ZERO WASTE VEGANS !

CONCLUSIONS:   PETFOOD   If Flesh/Animal content based is very unhealthy and unnatural.

Am I pleased  I do not feed my dogs petfood of animal substance ! the numbers looking at the USA figures of slaughtered for human consumption animals and average human consumption figures indicate that petfood flesh must be sourced from dubious sources ! cruelty cases sick diseased animals not on the slaughter numbers of those slaughtered for human consumption.  AND DISCARDED EUTHANISED DOGS CATS AND HORSES INCLUDED included.

we DO KNOW that 10 percent of the intended before 9 billion land animals eventually are officially slaughtered per year in USA per year, 1 billion animals die before getting to slaughter as a "normal" part of death and disease accidentally due to mistreatment, ill health, transport etc. I think this number is easily increased to 20 percent 2 billion.  It is the PARETO principle of 80/20 that applies to everything in business.

PET FOOD ! If Flesh/Animal content based…is using the most diseased unhealthy parts of animals in petfood cancers/tumours AND DISCARDED EUTHANISED DOGS CATS  AND HORSES INCLUDED included. It is also sourced from the cheapest imported animal parts subject due to being PETFOOD to the lowest failed quality controls of course for human food." the QUALITY issue !

USA produced slaughtered animals for humans mostly. Petfood however is another matter hey...The United States Department of Agriculture has no regulatory authority over pet food. USDA regulates meat used for human consumption under division FSIS (Food Safety Inspection Services), the agency does not officially regulate meat for pet consumption. Raw pet foods manufactured under constant USDA inspection and meat shipped to a human food manufacturing facility that also manufactures a pet food were under USDA jurisdiction during manufacture, however after they become ‘a pet food’ they no longer are responsibility of USDA.

apart from the NUMBERS of ANIMALS killed for PETFOOD involved...which is for the USA based on weight/size of chicken/rabbit size animals 18 billion chickens/rabbits per year to feed USA 200 million pet dogs and cats a 30 percent flesh/animal parts based kibble (20 pecent of the 200 million feeding 100 percent RAW make that number high....3000 animals per pet eaten if fed RAW over 1 average pet lifetime or 900 animals if fed a 30 percent animal content kibble)

There is nothing "natural" about factory farming food for pet animals. Lions / wolves do not cage and forcibly breed animals to eat.

Lions / wolves do not naturally eat off PLATES either. Letting loose a cow for a pet cat or jack russell to chase after and bring down to kill in a house ?

Vultures not Lions/Wolves eat DEAD FLESH they are NECROVORES ! a real CARNIVORE eats flesh warm not dead for days/weeks/months as the unnatural flesh is that we feed so called Carnivores as if they are Necrovores like Vultures with different digestive systems. 

"nutrients, not ingredients is what really matters" for humans cats or dogs etc. Logical.

CONCLUSIONS:   PETFOOD   If Flesh/Animal content based is very unhealthy and unnatural. Healthy Vegan Nutrition is healthier and now available.

VEGAN PETFOOD is healthier and more natural and certainly less cruel.

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